Re:Jooooleye Monthly - 2005/06/29 10:55
Well I appear to be outvoted (is that a word?) here. However, I still like the idea of all players in the tournament putting up their tags.
What if you're in last place in your group? Do you give up knowing that you're 10 strokes out of it within your group? I think bag tags across the entire field means you have to keep on keeping on.
I, for one, like the idea that if an amateur shoots better than a pro for any given day on any given course under the same circumstances, they should be awarded the higher tag. I don't like the idea of anyone being able to "give up" since they know there will be no harm and they can just take the lowest tag in their group. I believe the incentive to play hard is greater when you may be outscored by ANYONE.
As far as knowing exactly who your competition is by only challenging those players in your own group, I prefer the added mystery of NOT knowing. In any other tournament, unless your division is four players or less, you don't know what the others in your division are shooting until the end. I enjoy the social aspect of the gathering at the end of the round and comparing scores.
Since the spirit of the bag tag seems to be "anytime, anyplace, game on for any players with tags", it would make sense to me that we all are playing a bag tag round as one group of DDGC members. It just happens to coincide with a tournament.
Of course, I'll play either way. I just wanted to voice my opinion in case anyone else thinks this way.
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Marty Hapner
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Re:Jooooleye Monthly - 2005/06/29 12:01
the operative word here is 'any other tournament'.....tag challenges are not really designed for 'tournament play'; it is like playing for skins and scores at the same time....which can really mess you up.
again, this be just my opinion....
disclaimer: my comments are not intended to create any imbalance on the planet. nor for any individual who may read my words, should they take them out of context or decide that my comments are negatively directed at them personally .
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John Steele
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Re:Jooooleye Monthly - 2005/06/29 12:39
I agree that the tag chalenge should be seporate from the monthly.
In the tag event you know what you are getting into.
In the monthly, it's peer-to peer groups, and those players can play how they decide.
Some players only want to play people in their same division, or for added money for tags. Ultimately, I believe it is the right of each tag owner to do with their tag whatever they please? They did pay for it. You could say that they must play all the time, but then you might get less tag buyers next year, and therefor fewer members.
Again, I'm just saying this because it is true, and happening not because I neccesarilly agree or not.
Right, wrong or indifferent, there are people who will not play the tag challenge for that reason. (it is not peer to peer) They don't want to risk their tag or whatever.
I'm not saying that's right or wrong, it's just how it is, so you may run the risk of those same people not playing the monthly, or forgetting their tags if you enforce the tag rule.
Hmmm.
I think it's great that so many people are so excited to play for tags. When they first came out last year, a lot of people wanted to play for them every day. Then it kinda lost steam?
At the same time, I respect people who choose not to play for their tags whenever they don't want to. That's just how it is. I chose not to badger them or try to humitlate them into playing for their tag. To me it's just not cool. Especially when they can beat me 9 times out of 10. They don't wan to risk there good tag to my lucky day. I understand that. So even if the rules say "obligated" I am certainley not going to say "play or go home". Or call them names.
I understand that some of you feel that this runs against the spirit of the tags, I repect that too. I would just rather play than not play, and if tags are going to get in the way of that for whatever reasons, then they become less important than just playing.
I know a lot of you guys want to see some of the lower number tag guys come out and put their numbers on the line. Please to remember that to them you have everything to gain, and nothing to lose so they see less cause.
I'm not saying it's right, but i think you are going to have a better chance of getting them to play for those tags if you meet them on their own terms.
Again, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but there is a reason they say "possesion is 9/10s of the law"
Sorry to ramble on, and I do not mean to offend anybody, just to provide some information that might help us all understand each other.
The tags are a great thing, they should unite us, not devide us.
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Gabe House
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Re:Jooooleye Monthly - 2005/06/29 13:04
I agree with all your points, John. My daytime gig is headhunting (i.e. efficiency expert) for poor performing operational units. At work, we have a little saying, "It is what it is." The bag tag challenge definitely represents that statement.
A stickler might argue the "letter of the law". They might say that a player with a lower tag can't refuse a challenge no matter what. But, what are you gonna do if they don't? We barely have enough people to man a membership tent and mow lawns; a police force seems way beyond our operating budget.
A stickler might question the validity of how bag tags were assigned in the first place; or they may demand that bag tags be displayed and not simply carried in your bag (or worse at home on your shelf).
Personally, I no longer have the energy to be a stickler. There is no way to give everyone what they want. The challenge is on for the current year, whether the "rules" are followed are not. So if some "low" tag player doesn't want to play because they're sick, or injured, or scared...so be it. Those who don't find this behavior agreeable will have the opportunity to choose not to participate next year.
Besides, all us amateurs can always bump up to pro if we want to challenge those players.
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CJ Jahr
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Re:Jooooleye Monthly - 2005/06/29 15:01
My 2 cents, I like the way we've been doing the Thursday Bag Tag Challenge where we put all the tags into one pool and play for the ranking. With other tournaments and events such as a Monthly or even a casual round, it is up to the individuals either in the group or outside the goup. Heck, it's that individuals tag, he or she should be able to do what they want with it. Its like a bet just not for money.
Disclaimer I don't care if I offend anyone, I hope I do!!
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Jason Gael
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Re:Jooooleye Monthly - 2005/06/30 08:02
I agree with Gabe 100%. Get in the habit of your tag being up for grabs at all times.
Cheers!
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